Let’s get this very straight. There is no absolute and unabridged right to protest. People like Simon Hamilton who say there is an "absolute right", are very wrong. Yes the land is planted thick with laws which protect our liberty. However, protections also exist that limit liberty, in the event and only in the event, that a person's use of freedom infringes the liberty of other persons.
In a Northern Ireland rapidly advancing in civilization, the
whole history of the flags protests has been one of anti-civilisation; of
gratuitous and promiscuous violence and vandalism. Of the
anti-civilisationists acting to deprive and limit the rights of those who
wish to live in civilization with liberty, peace, safety and prosperity. Protest and march after march, loyalists have shown themselves
pathologically incapable of marching peaceably or in a manner that is open,
decent or even remotely family-friendly.
As Visit Belfast found out from some very unfortunate tourists, it's been the consummate jungle and booze filled circus. (And let's come back to that matter in a later day, that the 12th has degenerated into a festival of piss (preface here).)
As Visit Belfast found out from some very unfortunate tourists, it's been the consummate jungle and booze filled circus. (And let's come back to that matter in a later day, that the 12th has degenerated into a festival of piss (preface here).)
And on this matter the precedent has been set: loyalist protesters
exercise their liberty at the expense of society's liberty. This cannot
stand. We cannot tolerate this. Their violent experiment has been tried and they will continue it upon us at the
expense of our liberty.
On these grounds, I can present the argument that these
marches should be heavily restricted in way that is in accordance with the law, and in a way
that is neither an indiscriminate or disproportionate restriction on a person’s
right to protest.
Here's the European law:
Article 11 – Freedom of assembly and association
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.By virtue of Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights you possess the liberty to protest by holding meetings and demonstrations with other people.
By virtue of Article 11 you possess the responsibility to
act peacefully and without violence or threat of violence.
On the balance of rights and responsibilities, the right to
protest may be restricted provided such interference has a proper legal basis,
is necessary in a democratic society and pursues one of the following
recognized and legitimate aims:
– National security
– Public safety
– The prevention of disorder or crime
– The protection of health or morals
– The protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
Any interference in the Article 11 right must not only be
justifiable, but necessary.
Here's domestic law:
There are a number of legislative provisions which allow the
restriction or prosecution of public protest. Provisions such as offences under the Public Order (Northern Ireland) Order 1987, the Protection from Harassment (Northern Ireland)Order 1997, the Terrorism Act 2000 and the Anti-social Behaviour Act2003.
In the event of breaching the terms of any parade set by the Parades Commission, this is a crime under the Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Act 1998.
In the event that a person incites another person to disobey a Parades Commission ruling, that person can be charged with inciting a breach of a ruling as a specific offence under the Public Order Act.
The argument:
Now, I submit myself to my honest and honorable readers: Do
loyalists march peacefully, without violence or threat of violence? Do they
compromise our national security? Do they compromise public safety? Do they
promote disorder and crime? Do they pervert the freedoms of others? Do they unleash fear and uncertainty writ large across the whole of Belfast?
@LADFLEG was looking forward to Xmas shopping this weekend in Belfast but think I'll go elsewhere now #riots #dissidents #flegtards
— Paddy Breen (@PaddyBreen1) November 26, 2013
I take leave to submit that Loyalists have consistently violated every single one of these elementary duties they owe towards
their fellow citizen. Newton Emerson agreed. He said in the Sunday Times here that "Flag protesters have rode roughshod over all these concerns and it is irresponsible to indulge any notion of their “right” to do so."
By that fact, the simple case should be made that this coming march should be heavily restricted if not banned.
By the Loyalist precedent for violence, I suggest that there is an imminent likelihood that Saturday's peace and prosperity will be breached. On the balance of liberties, I submit that Loyalist protesters will hold sway over the city and hold much of civic society hostage by their delinquency.
By that fact, the simple case should be made that this coming march should be heavily restricted if not banned.
By the Loyalist precedent for violence, I suggest that there is an imminent likelihood that Saturday's peace and prosperity will be breached. On the balance of liberties, I submit that Loyalist protesters will hold sway over the city and hold much of civic society hostage by their delinquency.
Because of our indulgence of them, Loyalism has constructed a hideous mentality of Loyalist exceptionalism. That they can act with impunity and that they’re immune from the laws we must subscribe to. Call them out and you get more rioting. Call them out and you get accused of police brutality. This is a hideous distortion.
They have also constructed some disgusting grievance culture. That they have it hard in a way unlike any one else. Catholics and nationalists have it hard. Moderate loyalists and unionists have it hard. These are challenging times for us all. You would think that beyond the walls of loyalism lies a utopia. This is babyish babble.
Now ladies and gentlemen, what are we to do? I suggest we take a stand and offer a modicum of civic opposition. Loyalism wields arbitrary power over a
civil majority in Northern Ireland. They make grand, abstract claims. No power can exist unchecked. Grand claims cannot go out unopposed.
They can have their protest this week. But I suggest something changes. Friends, I beseech you. They will repeat their foul experiment upon us. As long as we let them. Stop appeasing this horrendous nonsense. It's time to stand up and oppose these squalid little bigots who masquerade themselves as civil rights protesters and call them out for what they are: uncivil shites. Use the law as it exists. Lodge complaints. Campaign against this shower of loyalist incontinence.
They can have their protest this week. But I suggest something changes. Friends, I beseech you. They will repeat their foul experiment upon us. As long as we let them. Stop appeasing this horrendous nonsense. It's time to stand up and oppose these squalid little bigots who masquerade themselves as civil rights protesters and call them out for what they are: uncivil shites. Use the law as it exists. Lodge complaints. Campaign against this shower of loyalist incontinence.
Your degradation of Incontinence, by inferring its connection with these Loyalist Flegtards is an insult to Incontinence. No self respecting loose motion would associate with these under educated Fleg-ciples Loyalist propaganda.
ReplyDeleteGood article as usual Brian. Keep up the good work.
aye we can all do more, but right now its the PSNI job to do that on Saturday, uphold the Parades Commission's ruling on start times - and arrest them if they break the law. Let them cry foul. and let everyone know what the rules of the game are .
ReplyDeleteExcellent.
ReplyDeleteMay I make a suggestion?
ReplyDeleteWould it be feasible, that a forum or board be made for like minded LAD's to discuss ideas and resolutions ? Seems like a lot of good ideas floating about, that a little debate could consolidate or dismiss.
We are working on a LAD website at present and may well incorporate a discussion forum. Problem is that many such forums seem to be populated primarily with dicks.
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ReplyDeleteWell written article, keep 'em comin'
ReplyDeleteVery well written piece, I enjoy these, keep 'em coming.
ReplyDeleteGood article which says much of what we all think. Do have a look at something expressing similar views on
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Well, whoop-di-doo as my American daughter would say. Did you ask your classmates about the Tea Party? We might have Woundrous Willie and Jamie the Twat, but they have Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann and.... And remember that California elected Big Arnie as governor. So when a Californian criticizes politics and protests over here, just remind them that their lot make the vast majority of ours (fleggers not included) look positively statesmanlike.
ReplyDeleteCan't disagree with the logic of the piece or with most of the contents. But go out and counter-demonstrate? I may be cowardly, but I'm not stupid. Much better to picket PSNI HQ and demand that Matt 'Tits on a bull' Baggot either enforce the law, or resign and make way for someone who will.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, aren't the fleggers just upholding an honourable Ulster tradition of fucking the majority around? Anyone who has lived here since the start of the Troubles doesn't need reminding that this disregard for the civil rights of the ordinary punter has been going on since pussy was a cat. Bombs, riots the whole fekkin' lot. The fleggers and the dissies are just the children of Adams and Robinson and McGuinness and Paisley and the whole shower who taught them that the law doesn't apply to those who disagree with it.
I'm staying out of the City tomorrow and ignoring the tossers. But this is going to go on until we (a) have competent police leadership, and (b) a political setup in which the current set of muppets has faded away to be replaced by real politicians interested in more than their expense accounts and ensuring that their families are employed by the state!!
Come to think of it, maybe I'll emigrate to Rockall!
Tickfad er something or other.